So let's now say buy into something that we talked about previously, which is one of the main reasons once you want, which you mentioned, was your health issues, right? So if you want to just tell everyone what Yeah,

no, definitely. Um, so I guess, if you were listening to the last 2030 minutes, you're probably thinking, geez, you guys had a pretty, pretty easy, he's gone to network to some people and done a university degree grown up in a good family, all that kind of stuff. But everyone has challenges and everything. So in terms of myself, I've been diagnosed with manic depression. That's bipolar two. So similar to Episode Two, as well. So we call this differences because it affects people in different ways. I've been through mainly the thing that I struggle with is the depression. I've only had one or two mania episodes. So bipolar two for the listeners that don't know is classified by sustained periods of depression, and then a likelihood to go up to high into manic behavior. And, yeah, I guess the thing that happens is, I'm a conversational person. I love meeting people. I love talking to people. But as soon as depression takes over, my conversation ability goes. So for a podcast for a marketer for it's very hard for me, and then negative thoughts start coming in inactivity, you know, don't get up don't shave, you know, all of the symptoms in terms of inactivity, D motivation, inability to function as a normal human being gets taken away. So, you know, and these depressive episodes, they're not two weeks or three weeks, six to eight months. longest one I've had is probably 11 months. Wow.

When we first diagnosed

at 2023 24, right? Yeah. So early 20s. Yep. which typically happens.

Yeah, it's generally your late teens. Maybe you did? Well, from what I know, my mom's obviously a bipolar type one. And this is why you agree to this, we connected over that. And, you know, hers was like late teens, generally. I don't know what it is. But sometimes a traumatic event or something can trigger it. Genetic genetics, it's a genetic thing, generally.

A bit of both. Mine is, yeah, my depression is very situational. So something, something will happen to me. And then my ability to cope with it goes away. So it's like a bucket. So you look at it, like everyone has ability to cope with different different stressors, and their bucket fills up. But if you don't have any sort of mental illness, especially me, your bucket gets holes in it and you deal with it. But for me, it fills up too much tips over and then that I avoid, avoid everything.

So do you take medication regularly? Or what's the treatment plan?

Yeah, no good. Good question. Yes, I take medication. People sometimes shy away from that. They say I don't want to use medication to treat my illness. Yeah. Which is it bamboozles me because if you have a cold will he do you take cold medication. If you have a broken arm you've put in his thing and you probably take pain medication as well. If you have a headache, you take pain medication a lot. So if you have a mental illness, which is still another she take medication for it, if they shouldn't, they seem around it I don't get and maybe it's it's some people, they have just have a predisposition to a bit. So I'm taking sodium valproate, about 1200 milligrams of that. And then 200 milligrams of caffeine, both of which are mood stabilizers. So for someone diagnosed with bipolar, either one or two, giving them an antidepressant isn't a great idea. Because an anti depressants job is to lift moods. Now if you lift your mood too high, you go into a manic episode, which is that's what happened to me. So they diagnose like the second episode. He was diagnosed with manic depression for depression, depressive, yeah, the first year but then so I was diagnosed with depression First they gave me Zoloft which is a fair call because you based on what you present, present. But then I go, I went manic. Yeah. So which was this is another interesting thing, that period of time is a lot of fun. To the people around you, not so much. But when you're in it, creativity, energy, motivation, passion, especially after a depressive episode. Then it sort of feels like yeah, you're getting your skills back.

Yeah. And they're very, you know, people My name is Taiwan. So I was more used to the mania of such as very Very high all the time, a little bit flat sometimes. But there might be days where she just started by not doing anything, which is more impressive sort of more mania side and the thing about the medication is very correct. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Unfortunately for my experience with mice, couple of people I know with bipolar, they would always do the same type of medication, I'm better now. Not a hit, relapse hospital, do it again, medication losses cycle is an ever growing cycle, you know, they're gonna go on hospital again. And then three months later, say medication better now go back

to thing the medication isn't there, because again, I likened it to a headache. So long handed to take your medication, your panadol, whatever it is, and then you hit X Go on, you stop taking it. mental illness is not like that. It's maintenance. It's a consistent thing. I've gone through periods where Yeah, I've forgot to take my medication, I haven't ever purposely played around with it. In terms of like, Oh, I'm feeling a bit depressed. So maybe if I stop it, or go into a manic phase, which people can be tempted to do, but I haven't ever gone, I'm feeling good. Now I'm going to stop taking the medication. For me, it's been out of laziness, and just not having that routine. So my girlfriend has now bought me the pillbox, that's, you know, every day, and she actually literally amazing support system. Thank you. She puts all my pills in there. So when it comes tonight, because I'm working late, but when it comes tonight, I just opened the thing, took all the pills, and then I'm done. So brothers support. I'm an amazing partner, amazing girlfriend that knows that I need to take medication. And if I'm not taking medication, then bad stuffs gonna happen.

It's very important what you said then and we will we had to get a situation where basically we had to have a nurse and Masako come around every morning. Yeah, to make sure she took it because you've got to stage versus Relax, relax, relax, and the resources that that will take? No, it's probably it was almost cheaper than just to send someone around every morning to make sure she was taking the medication. And that's a common thing. But regards to what you said before routine is very important. So you have a routine where you do that in the morning, but what else is there in a daily routine? Because I wish we had our last interviewee, which was Simon, he for him. It was an interesting what you said situational, because his situational thing, which was a lot of pressure on himself to be perfect run and competitive environment, which would force his stuff. And so he had a routine now, which he has to stick to, you know, so I don't know, what is your routine generally look like? Yeah.

At the moment, my routine is very much based around my business. And that's what's giving me purpose, passion, and motivation. And do I want a more structured routine where I wake up at 7am? and go to the gym and do all that? Yes, I do. But I'm not. That's not what I'm doing at the moment. So I can be better. That's the other thing. You can always be better but don't put judgment. In terms of, I guess, a routine to stay out of depression. It's more. Getting out and doing podcasts at the periphery being prolific on podcasting is what's actually keeping me healthy. Because I'm getting out meeting new people. So if I'm around people, I guess as a routine. Yeah, that'll be my routine. If I'm getting around people as much as possible. That will help me immensely different for different people. But for me, yeah, doing things like this is almost therapy.

That's great. So with your he said some long times when you're depressed, like eight months, later months, and that's a very long time. But are you in that time? Were you hospitalized at all? Was it just more of you adjusting medication, or you had a sock you're dealing with? Well,

I'm lucky in the fact that I've only been to hospital once. And that was during the manic phase. My depression, look, I'm very easy at hiding it. It basically affects the outer people in my circle first, because I'll start avoiding things like work or social commitments or parties or that kind of thing. Then it like suck. So you know, my partner, she for five months of it six months, she had an idea. She was like something's not quite right. But I'm able to act sort of normal. Apart from the Yeah, so I dropped, I dropped laser off, I'd wake up at eight o'clock, I dropped her off to placements that she was having. But then instead of coming back home and doing I was still doing eating at the time. During the work I had to do motivation and passion was so low that I just climbed back into bed. So it was this sustained period of where it didn't get to a point where I had to go to hospital because the people around me didn't see that I had to go to hospital. In my head. I'd be driving and I'd be going maybe I should just pull myself into hospital because I don't know. But the people that are closest to me and this is something that I've learned is I need to speak up because unless you tell someone The mask of depression, people wouldn't know.

That's very true. And it's a good point what you said then. So I was going to just ask now, as many people surprised to find out, you have bipolar type, so

just based on your personality, and you're obviously talking to so many people every day as well, they're surprised that you actually have, they're incredibly surprised. I went and did a talk at my university to a few classrooms of master's students. One of the people in that classroom was a friend that I did the undergraduate degree with. after which she came up to me just chatted, thank you for doing this. But then she sent me a message later on during the day and said, I didn't even realize that that was a part of your life. And she's like, apologize for not being there or whatever. And yeah, so people are surprised. It's something that you can mask very well. And that's the danger of it. Because you see people committing suicide, you see people, so trigger warning, but yeah, you see people, you know, doing things for themselves. And it's a surprise to people. But if you if they just spoke up, or if someone was a little bit more, and that's why it seems like are you okay day and all this thing is good. But, you know, speaking up, you have a responsibility. If you have that mental illness, you have a responsibility to tell at least one person, even if that's your psychologist, or a psychiatrist or your GP. And it can be hard because sometimes you don't want to ask for help. But you've got a responsibility, I think, to have at least one person and everybody, unless there are circumstances, but everybody should at least have one person that they can go, Hey, you know, I'm going to be out for a couple of weeks. And I'm not feeling good, but just check in on me. Because it's too easy to hide it.

I surprised about the lack of awareness around let's say bipolar, for example. Yeah,

every time I say bipolar, I have to distinguish between which one I have and which one I don't. Because the perception of bipolar is bipolar one and where it's like your mum, everyday could be different. But bipolar two is different. It's sustained depression, and then just a chance of mania. But yeah, I'm surprised there's not enough. It tends to be more depression and anxiety. Yeah,

when we're talking it's fine. Yeah, I think like I remember talking with Simon he said 2% of the population habit jeppeson. pretty large number.

If you look at the definition of bipolar, in a broad sense, it's, you have updates, and you have down days 50% of people would have updates. Yeah, very true. Yep. So I think it's more common and people.

Yeah, that's sort of for me point of doing this stuff and talking about stuff open like this and appreciate yourself in so many Come on previously, just to be open about this. For me, the lack of resources in video online about it severely lacks my frustration is mental health awareness is associated just depression and anxiety is the bucket term, there's so much with mental health, let's say bipolar, schizophrenia, then you've got children in my situation who have parents with these, these situations, right. And the support or the funding there is is non existent. You know, I'm only 31. So something's not the formula. Since I've gone through it all. But the lack of support, there's a stigma there. Like even like, even like, you know, basic things, if you're better off to be, you'd have to have your parents or drug deal, you probably get more support from the government back in the day than being in that situation. And what people don't realize is that children in those situations, they're young carers, you know, even though they might be at 12 years old, whatever. The person generally exists for the kids. Right? So the person generally, no one asked me, I'll go sheet melt many times he says I wouldn't be equals and few kids, it's very simple thing was always an indirect threat or something before school,

I think. Yeah, sorry to cut you off. Not that I wouldn't be. I would be lying to you. If I said I didn't have suicidal thoughts. I've been lucky that I haven't planned and acted and done anything. But there have been close times, but my logical brain kicks in. And usually it's the people around me that that I think of first. Now, it's a shame if everyone was using that as a bit

of a Yeah, why go into too much not just an example just to try and tell people about what the pressures is on when you grow up in those situations. And the funny thing is, is what you said, when you went to do your universe, you talk about people saying they went through I did a similar video online, I published an IP What do you mean, what sort of stuff saying united parents similar to that and random people out of the blue, that put it on polygon that shared a bit. So it's quite interesting how there is a lot of people who go through that situation, you'll never hear about it. And I think it's something that needs to be talked about a lot more in regards to the support infrastructure, especially just because of the disadvantages. People in situations then the more statistically inclined to have mental mental illness, the more more likely list of employment, all that sort of stuff. But in regards to your situation, so you've got a good sample coordinate work, and that's great. So you've got a golf a girlfriend, which is I think a partner is very, very important, I think, when a lot of trouble with mental illness comes with people with conditions is if they're, there's no support network or let's say this single for example, nothing wrong with that, but I think there's a lot of problems with single parents or, or not having that person that can go to or knows them to say, Oh, he's getting a bit whatever, I need to do something about it.

Definitely. I mean, Mike, I'm also lucky my girlfriend's got a Bachelor of neuroscience. So you've got a very in depth understanding of how the brain works. So when I told her about bipolar two, she's like, yeah, cool. It's just the way your brain is just wired differently. Yeah. And she took that on, and then I was like, Okay, well, there's going to be certain times where I'm just a bit different and to be accepted. So amazing support my parents as well. I'd really support really good support from parents, sometimes a little bit too much for my mum, you know, your mom can be very caring and bad. But if that's the only negative, I mean, she does so much for me. So it's amazing. And my dad as well, like, I've, when I have been in these depressive episodes I've had, I've been staying at my dad. So when I was single, that one that went for 10 or 11 months, I was just in my dad. And he did things like he forced me to get because we eventually went to the psychologist, he forced me to walk, get up and walk every day. He forced me to, he said, Tim, you're washing the dishes, that's gonna be part of your routine. But you got to make your bed get up and make your bed to get out of bed. He got me moving right in I there was a period where I, I just broke down. And my dad's an engineer. And it's been about eight, nine months that I've been doing nothing. And this Ford in my head was just like, I wasn't at uni, because I had to defer it. So it's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? And then dad came home and I just broke down. And he's an engineer. So his engineering, Brian would have gone. Okay, what's the fix? You know? So he took me, like, booked in an emergency appointment with my psychologist. She then went, Wow, this is too much for me to handle, booked me into a psychiatrist, and then got the right medication. But that support of having, I guess, my my dad, and also my mom got involved, the parents are separated. But my mom got involved as soon as psychologists and psychologists knew like that they're in communication. But I guess to have that support network of my dad to do that. Yeah, really powerful.

Now, what other systems do you have in place? You do have that you do have your girlfriend Do you do and you said you did you do proactively tell her right. So there's something when you do you will actually go which will now you will now last year? I did. Okay. Yeah, I think it's very common. But so

yeah, I'll just define how I see my how I say bipolar. So the depression side of my bipolar gives me an insight into insight into myself and education and lessons into myself that a lot of people don't get the mania gives me an ability to be motivated, passionate, creative and excited about things, tap into a level of energy that a lot of people don't get as well,

we go back to the depression thing what you said, That's very interesting. They said before, so that's some of the insights you're getting yourself. Yeah, I think others people might not get.

Okay. So you when you're down in the dumps, and then it's that period of coming out of it, where everything's been taken away from you, you've gone back to basics, you then learn, okay, what got me there? Why did I start feeling that way? You then learn what you're really passionate about? Like the podcast really took off when I thought about instead, what do I actually enjoy doing? Now? I'm coming out of this depressive episode. Where can I go? Because if you're a rock bottom, the only way to go is so the lessons that I learned in terms of who I am in the self development, crazy. So that's what I mean. But also in terms of the lesson that got me there. So what got me there last time was I said yes to too many things I over committed. And then I didn't have the outsourcing to, which I do now. And I've been let people down. So this overwhelming sense of, I've let mentals down, I've let friends down and that that's what got me there. So then the lesson from that was you need to tell people, you know, in my business now, I saw I create video content for people. That means I go out and shoot stuff, but if something I don't think it will happen, but if something happens to me, I can then I've got friends that are video producers, and I've talked to them. I said I've got depression. This happens sometimes if I go for a period. Can I flick you guys on the work and you'll You'll edit it for me, I'm happy to pay you because I can't, you know, but I just need that to get to the person. And then I can communicate that to the client. Because I'm open with people. I can say, hey, look, it's gonna take me four weeks to do this, because I'm not healthy at the moment like, I'm sick. I'm just not healthy. He said some work. Yeah, I'm just not healthy. Like, I don't have to tell them exactly what it is. They'll probably know if they listen to this podcast. Yeah, sure. But I'll just say I'm not healthy right now I need to go at going to the hospital and do this doesn't matter. I've given the work to my referral partners. And they're going to deliver it to you in two weeks. So that having that that was the lesson of last time of having that outsourcing option.

So you get, you're able to gain that introspection, from the depressive. But also, I think what you just said, then, if I'm a business owner, and someone told me that, like their level of honesty, I've made nothing higher than hire that person in China, maybe lie or something like that.

So people. So let's talk about even people just going for a job. The employer can't ask you do you have a mental health problem, that's against the law. But if you take it on the front, because they want to find out, if you go on the front set, I'm not suggesting you do it in the first interview, but it's getting down to the point where they're going to hire you, or even when they've hired you. Actually, this is probably that's probably when you should when they've hired you. You say, and this is what I did, before I went full time as a business development manager. I was telemarketing casual. When I moved into PDM. I told my boss, I said, to the non people that I asked, should I do this told me not to, but I did it anyway. I said, Bruce, before you hire me, I need to tell you something about I have been diagnosed with manic depression. And there may be periods where I'm out. Now, fast forward 24 months, when I went for an episode, they realized that that was the case. And they knew that I didn't just bail for I was unhealthy. So then, when I got better, I was able to reconnect with them. And then go back and do more work with them because they understood

and you're honest, and you're genuine about it, and you guide mappings for the best, or anyone who runs a business can ask for right for the employee, to be honest with them, I think it's very important. It's great that you can work that because a lot of people with bipolar can't work. And the reason why they can't for from my experience anyway, just because of the stress, you said before something set you off. So it my mom, she would try and do a part time job get a bit stressful, whatever bang trigger like that. So that's one of the that's one of the side effects, sometimes as well with people. So it's great to see obviously running your own business and doing really, really well.

I think that's one of the reasons I have been to running my own business, right? Because as a business owner, you do have that level of freedom to go, Nah, I need to sleep an extra hour today. Or no, I need to, I need to just take a couple more hours on lunch to just regulate, you know, and that's why I like working on my own schedule, rather than I need to be here at 830. So my, the most successful job that I've had was as a salesperson, because I was able to, you know, I could book an appointment at 10am, stay at home, and then go to that appointment at 10 or book an appointment at six or whatever it was, as soon as I was put into a structure where I can still do it. But the way I was told that this is when I have to go on lunch. This is when you know that's where it was a bit harder, but the ability to have freedom in terms of that entrepreneurship. And yeah, like it, even though I said you shouldn't have these conversations with your employees, employees, if you're going for a job. Like it's still hard. It's not started, like I'm open Weaver. But it's still a hard thing to do. Like you don't want that to be the factor that makes them not high, even though they still legally say that it wasn't. But subconsciously it could be which really sucks.

What do you think needs to happen in the next 10 years regarding let's say mental health awareness in the bipolar space? For example, would you like to see happen the next, let's say five to 10 year period?

I'd like to see the distinction between the two communicated okay, but more. I'd also love to Yeah, just see more conversation about it. Like this, you know, I personally would love to get on as many mental health podcasts as possible as well, like I'm very open. So people that are I guess more open to share their story about it because as I say, go back to my definition of depression is an enhancer in terms of insights into yourself. I think people with depression can give people insights that they might not even have. So just more conversations like this. I think authentic your podcast. We've we talked about this off camera. I think naturally your podcast is going to have that bend to it.

Yeah, well, we're talking about like, you know, I'm not trying to ask you vise was the podcast. Because everyone says you got to do a nice you got to do a nation, I don't have it. Like I don't really have naturally a nation of a lot of be of interest. But it's sort of gone this way because of the lack of content regarding your space. I do think there is there is content regarding depression and anxiety in regards to say, like, don't

do a good job on blue do a good job. Those are two resources. There's some okay stuff on YouTube and nothing that's a full length conversation with someone like me that has the illness correct.

And that's what I don't completely agree. And that's the half the reason for it. And for me, it's also the touch points as well around that because it's not just when a person has bipolar, for example, it's the family as well. And for me, my for me, the as I said, the priorities the kids and I grew up in a situation like that. There's still no content, you will Google your YouTube online. You know, my mother has a bipolar issue. And you'll see like some lady doing a really great bit of video, and people like little shocked by it and didn't know that happened. But it's such a common occurrence. You know, I remember, I think it's one in five kids in Victoria was the stat of a parent or guardian who has a mental illness. Whether that's, you know, I would say a large amount of that would be let's say typical, let's say depression or anxiety, the large percentage is bipolar brings in anxiety and there's just so bipolar schizophrenia, and the lack of content around it is surprising. It just seems to me that the met the market will admit the big organizations who do a really really good job in that one area. Why do you think there's such good tack ons they can do expand their portfolio of awareness. Yeah, no, I think it's they've done a great job in in in changing the conversation like are you okay, what sort of stuff which is a which is a big thing but I just the thing

I'd love to see actually is so I okay, days great. And the people that came up with that fantastic, but what I see we value Okay, day is it's just that day, and it shouldn't just be that day because someone could be depressed three months earlier to that and then do something stupid. And it's not in a okay day. So you should ask people are they okay? Every almost every day. The other thing I say we buy? Are you okay? days people and this is terrible. Are people using it as vanity for themselves? Absolutely. Like I've got one friend, I won't mention their name. But every single time this person posts on LinkedIn, they post on Facebook, and they say reach out to me if you're okay, are you okay? I haven't messaged them multiple times when I've been going through stuff. No response.

And that's disappointing to hear. And I agree to what you said I'm glad you said it first before makes our sense cynical and but I completely agree or you know, especially on Instagram and all that sort of stuff. And for me I get really frustrated like I'm very cynical in a way because growing up in a situation which I grew up where I've been inside cycles every year for a long long time in foster homes due to this sort of stuff right I know a lot and then and then to see stuff like he stuff that really frustrates me because in my opinion I got no idea about whatsoever. Yeah, it's highly disrespectful to large amount of people who have this close to commenting on now probably will this year when he when he puts because he will put this post out again.

I'll comment on Billy, look, I've messaged you and nothing so and look people get busy and whatever. And I get that if you're specifically putting out post read a okay day, and someone reaches out to you. Like I'm sure the majority of people that do that will and there has been people. One of them a friend of mine, Ken, he's been fantastic. He put out a post and I was I was feeling I was going through a period at that point. And I messaged him, and he messaged back with an amazing response and made me feel appreciated and made me feel a lot better. So just crazy. Yeah, look on the flip side of that is like there can be people that use it for the right reasons which which my friend that did. So yeah, but the two sides of the coin, there shouldn't be the two sides of the coin.

That's true. And I agree and I feel as I get used a bit sometimes because it seems to be like it is a trending sort of thing at the moment is mental health awareness and stuff like that. And you seen these influences whoever try and use that it does really frustrate me because like as I said why cynicism kicks in and says Well, have you had a CT? Have you seen someone hevc to hit you off bent into a psychiatric ward now I'll take you that actually show you the true side of it right of mental health and that's the my cynicism kicks in and saying it's almost the same it's glamorized. But just these all these influences and stuff. champion the cause it's like you would know the first thing about I'll tell you to a psychiatric Well, let's go and then we'll take you there. Let's meet some of the people and hear their stories. You know, that wouldn't slip or fall in there. But But now it that aect and it still goes on, for example. And there's new magnetic therapies and stuff like that. So, my cynicism definitely kicks in and definitely frustrates me hearing that side of it. And I dare say it's a common thing. Unfortunately.

It is the same with the bushfires. Yeah. People use the bushfires to generate,

you know, social credit and look at it all gone away now, right? Yeah. Whereas it's still

a firefighter yesterday. And I it was funny because the first time I spoke to a firefighter, I said, Thank you. This is an opportunity for me to thank someone like And, but yeah, that that social media and everyone gets behind it. And now, three weeks later, we moved on to the new thing.

Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? And we had so so that's

the same value. Okay day, why does it have to be siloed event? is better than doing nothing and and I would love to collaborate with it Okay, Dave people? Yeah, but maybe you asked about change, you know, make that are you okay day maybe I okay, Friday or something?

Yeah, make it a regular more regular interval, I think it'd be great and the content they're pushing out, you know, the more regular content they can do, the better, especially with beyondblue. and stuff, you know, I always I don't have a crack at him all the time. But majority the time I do I do a little bit because as I said, my situation is from the bipolar side, parents side, you know, I just know the lack of resources that have and you have these pools of money, which are over here, right, and they never done down to there. So, you know, my hope is doing the content is to take this to email them, you know, in his bedroom and say, you know, can you add a page to this? Or can you finally feature this like, correct,

you know, you could take that grab. So this is going back into podcasting stuff, you could take that, because I got quite emotional, they're talking about my dad helping me when I broke down, take that as a snippet. And then, first of all, you publish it for your channels, and I'll publish it for mine. Might embarrassment. But maybe not. you'd send that clip to them be like, Hey, can you guys feature this? Can you like for you? In terms of advice for your podcast? I definitely do that. Yeah. Cuz then that's going to give you reach an audience to have more of these authentic conversations. You know, there's been some really great celebrities that have come out and said, Hey, this is my struggle. You get those people on the show. This is major SEO consulting you then it's gonna really take off.

Yeah. And that's and that's the plan was to do this was to get enough content to then reach out and say, Hey, this is something that you guys, as you said, can feature, you know, even a page in your website, taking into account, an organization that we're going to do some video content with called satellite foundation in Victoria, they've worked with kids in regional areas. So basically, it's kids who've got parents with bipolar, generally, or schizophrenia. They bring in from all all places, and disabled kids who've got the same experience and do workshops, and that sort of stuff. Their ambassadors glyco, Brad McEwen used to work as a reporter on Channel 10, lots of stuff. And he's Brad's parents, unfortunately, I've committed suicide when he was younger. So he's like the ambassador for this, but he was a kid who, you know, directly experienced by that sort of stuff. So the plan is to basically do all this sort of content, use that as a grab and say, Hey, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, do you mind coming on to share it? Because the content in this space really lacks? And that's something

that I think you're touching on the the key thing there is, yeah, there's a lot of content around depression, anxiety, and the person dealing with it, but what is it? What effects does it have with the kids in the family room? Yeah. So that and then how can we help them correct.

And that's for me, is my primary focus for doing this. It's really that because just the the lack of content that's available, and also with so much, kids using Instagram, obviously YouTube and stuff like that now watch videos on YouTube. That's the content where they could see that. And they could say, well, this person's made it out. And they're an age now. And it's sort of doing their thing. And it's normal.

Yeah, it is normalizing. normalizing it again, come back to what do you want see changes is the normalization of it. You know, you as a mental health affected child shouldn't have that stigma of my parents has is in hospital for mental health. It should just be like the T shirt that you're wearing.

Yeah, exactly. Right. And we've grown up in a regional area as well. Very hush hush, right. A lot of stigma, a lot of rumors whatsoever, you know, schools doesn't even know. So that sort of stuff to see the DST, my citation of it, but also the paper with the conditions as well saying it's okay to let others know, I don't know about your experience. But I know from my mother and a couple of people who else have it, they're so embarrassed by pay, don't tell anyone. They're very embarrassed, and they just never did. And that made it hard for us growing up because we can't tell the school so you know, we might miss a day because she does want to get up or, you know, whatever happens or something happens at home and you can't, you can't tell the teacher because they're embarrassed by it. So you might lash out or whatever and you're getting in trouble for something what you do have no excuse for that behavior, but you do have an extenuating circumstance. So

and that's actually you said a key thing that not an excuse. I hate people using mental health as an excuse for their behavior.

Yeah, that's a good point. It's

never an excuse. It's a reason you know, it's a logical reason so you know, if someone can't call me it the reason is this, but it's never an excuse. You do have as I said, I it's easy for me to hide my depression. So me hiding that depression is a choice. I can I have a choice to say nothing or I have a choice to tell my girlfriend. It's Yeah, the Excuse sing, you know, I'm anxious today. So I can't

I just an easy way

I listen. Yeah. But again, you don't want to talk down. So what people are doing but yeah, so it's an excuse, you had a valid reason to miss valid reason to miss school, who's your mom couldn't get out of it.

That's true. And for one for a lot of kids in my situation eternia it's very easy to be the victim, right? You can say, I'm gonna blame this for this for this, this and this. And you take that mentality, a lot of people take that mentality in adulthood, right? Regardless, like I say, I've done

it I've been I've been the victim in cases. So yeah, but you learn from that

correctly? I think that's the thing like, Well, how do you teach people to get out of that mindset in at an early age as well, which is a big thing for me during this is, I want to try almost successful people who have grown up in a similar situation or who have it. So it's not an excuse, you know, everyone's got different circumstances, yours just happens to be this little bit of what this person has done. And that's the whole point is this sort of, you know, your life, all that said, at the time is very unstable, and it's not the best, and that's acknowledged. But when you get to 18, or 19, or whatever, you can go and do your anything. And you can use that learned experience. And you've got probably personality traits, which you don't know develop from that, let's say resilience, adaptability, you can deal with change, unpredictability, these sort of things, which are really good skills to have, or good mindsets or character traits to have moving forward, you know, but try and actually get that information to someone packed it up trying to get them to listen. It's funny, because

yeah, you take marketing, so awareness, interest, desire, and then action. So that's the steps that it takes people to buy. Right? So in order for people to buy in on mental health, we're still at the awareness stage. Oh, yeah, you know, then people need to be interested, they don't need to desire to change. And then we need to take action. So my brain because I'm a marketing nerd, will always run through that. But where can we then start at awareness? And I think things like this helps.

Yeah. And that's, that's the point of it. And I'm hoping to, you know, we can get a bit more content. And the plan is hopefully down the track, once it gets a little bit attractions is sort of in the previous episodes, which, which like yourself, and this will come back in and we'll use those clips to reach out and

well, I'll put this on on my channel and my podcast as well. Cool. I think it's good for people to know a little bit more about me. You know, I very much let the guests take the take the center stage, but yeah, I'll put this on on mine is

nice. Appreciate it. So is there anything you want to leave us with today? Oh, yeah.

So I think, actually, a story that there could help people, they're depressed at the moment I've got a problem is a little bits of action. 1% of action makes a big difference in listening to this, you're depressed, you might be going, Okay, what does this person I've absolutely, but I recovered from depression 80%, recovered in eight days. Well, now how I did this was, you know, and you want to get better at it. So I had a friend Bruce was his name. He said, I'm going to call you at 730 in the morning, I'm not going to get off the phone until you get out of bed and go for a walk. Now out of fear of one not wanting to take that conversation, I got up at seven o'clock. This was after me. staying in bed till two to then going and waking up at seven. I went for a walk. I didn't want to do it. But I went for a walk. Do the same thing. The next day, went for a bit of a longer walk. The next day took on a bit of a hill. So now I'm doing more x activity. Third day, fourth day, fifth date, same thing seven o'clock. Then I by the seventh and eighth day I went and had a shave. So completely agree this massive beard there's a photo I took a photo of it must be a scraggly hair. I had to shave clean shaven when got a haircut on the seventh date, and then the eighth day, so haircut shaved everything I was in such a better state of mind. I then got the medication, right. I then built from there so that that blog that I was I was essentially recovered from depression in eight days. Versus nine months Yeah, of doing nothing, you know, just from this one friend. But all it took was that 1% step out of the house, and I know it's very hard, but maybe for you it's brushing your teeth.

That's very, very interesting. And that's I'm talking to a previous guest. It's very similar. Similar thing he exactly said was very, very similar. And it's great that you have someone who can do that fully, which is really, really good. And if you do my advice for anyone is if you do know someone who might have bipolar or something like that, maybe reach out to them and offer it as a as a thing. That's really, really good to hear. So now let's get a shout out to your website with your work. on how you handles the podcast or that sort of stuff, so where can everyone find Yeah,

the websites still under works. But you can find me on Instagram at been talking that's b e a n talking, or one word on Spotify, iTunes, and all other podcasting at been talking with peak performance. Best way to reach me send me a message on Instagram, I have a team been Landsat TMP ANLN D, or even LinkedIn as well. I will help you if you say you're depressed and you're going through stuff, I'll give you some tips and advice, but I'm not a professional. So more than likely, I will say go and talk to this person. But at the same time, I'm happy to have a conversation with anyone that's going through something so give me a message. Let's have a chat. But if it's too much for me to give advice on professional helps always the way to go. But yeah, so Tim mainland, B I N l n d,

I would say to people, if you are injured to give give to the message on LinkedIn as you're quite active on all social platforms. I'm sure if anyone messages you on Instagram or LinkedIn, you obviously get back to me straightaway and your tik tok as well to talk to you. So if you want to as well, if you'd known a thing of doing your own podcast set up team, which is a great I think it's a niche service. I don't think many people would offer that to come actually do it in your home and serve which I think is really, really good. So please take that up. And I appreciate you doing this really much and being so open. Cool. Thank you. Thank you.